tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817911217098974229.post3109223413693468408..comments2023-11-05T04:09:26.194-05:00Comments on e g r e g o r e s: More on "Pagan Fundamentalism"Apuleius Platonicushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11761230673724504084noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817911217098974229.post-64735450670730819162013-07-12T23:11:23.876-04:002013-07-12T23:11:23.876-04:00I think the thing about Wiccan origins is that som...I think the thing about Wiccan origins is that some Wiccans hate the idea that Gardner got ideas from the Golden Dawn or Aleister Crowley. Also, the historicity of ancient witchcraft lineages that have continued to this day unbroken is an idea that is not believed by some and strongly defended by others.<br /> Some people also have trouble with sex magick, which could obviously bring up some issues but since it was part of the original Wicca, yet not so common for many modern Wiccans this could be an issue of division as to what is required practice.<br /><br />I have myself also received pretty offensive responses and been kick off of forums for talking about entheogen use, even though it is clearly part of Pagan tradition. Some people hate the idea of "drug" spirituality and get very authoritarian about it, even though all plants are sacred. <br /><br />I have noticed some ex Christians who become Pagans bring some of their hang ups with them and can be kind of assholish. I wouldnt go so far as to say this is Pagan fundamentalism, more just being a jerk, but it is clear that the brain washing of Christianity has gone in to "secular" areas of life and has made it hard for some modern people to accept some ancient traditions. <br /><br />Some people insist in a literal physical interpretation of the gods, others have a more psychological view (Hard Vs Soft Polytheism) and so some people like to go around saying who is or who isnt a Pagan based on these kinds of minor differences. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07556451115422005999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817911217098974229.post-17720823575689367762013-05-23T02:19:01.182-04:002013-05-23T02:19:01.182-04:00In the interest of transparency, I must state clea...In the interest of transparency, I must state clearly that I am not unbiased in this discussion. As Imperator of the Golden Dawn's pro-Pagan "Alpha Omega" order, I have been attacked and lambasted for two decades on the Internet, only to learn in 2012 that many of the individuals flaming the A.O. have secretly been members of a "Christian's only" Rosicrucian Society.<br /><br />In all of my debates, for example, on Pagan topics with Peregrin Wildoak, never once did he mention his conversion to Anglican Christianity. Still today, Peregrin claims in writing he is not Christian and has written in a Pagan voice in a Crytpo-Christian manner. Hiis book, "By Names and Images" bears Isis on the cover and gives the impression it is written by a Pagan.<br /><br />After 20 years of attacks on the Internet, I have learned to recognize the rhetorical and propaganda tactics used by Crypto-Christian activists.<br /><br />Let me be clear that I am not accusing Sabina Magliocco, in particular, of pursuing a hidden agenada.<br /><br />What bothers me about her conjuring up "Pagan Fundamentalists" thopugh, is it so resembles fear-mongering tactics used by Crypto-Christian activists in the Golden Dawn community.<br /><br />Whereas this may not be the case in this instance, the Pagans should nonetheless be wary of co-opt attempts by Crypto-Christian acvitists. Such attempts have already occured and have been exposed in the Golden Dawn.<br /><br />Golden Dawn Imperator<br />David GriffinImperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817911217098974229.post-15091850076162427392013-05-23T00:55:56.642-04:002013-05-23T00:55:56.642-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Imperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817911217098974229.post-80616822562024057102013-05-22T23:48:36.825-04:002013-05-22T23:48:36.825-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Imperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817911217098974229.post-133842853283886772013-05-22T19:39:40.792-04:002013-05-22T19:39:40.792-04:00My major concern with "Academic Pagan orthodo...My major concern with "Academic Pagan orthodoxy", as I've expressed elsewhere (and been deleted for the privilege), is the damage that will be done to the Pagan community in the process of attempting to hitch it to the oxcart of contemporary cultural Marxism.<br /><br />What passes for the "Left", and the "Right", each have potentially valuable insights to contribute in the 21st century. Most people with whom you disagree are not lesser beings...their spiritual and political beliefs are simply not yours.<br /><br />I've seen this phenomenon before, in the mainline Protestant churches of my youth in the 1970s and 1980s. Genuine theological discourse and the promotion of spiritual traditions took a back seat to collectivist slogans and Leftist political activism. <br /><br />Those hollowed-out churches died lingering deaths, and I'm not sorry for that. But if we indulge these latter-day Pagan academics with the authority they may believe that they deserve, they will cheerfully hijack our faiths and repeat the process.<br /><br />Attacking the 'problematic' ideological outliers in the Goddess community was the beginning. Perhaps next it will be the 'Neo' Platonist Pagans.<br /><br />AetiusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817911217098974229.post-90360606819761837432013-05-22T17:22:44.710-04:002013-05-22T17:22:44.710-04:00Hi Joseph. The whole thing with equating actual po...Hi Joseph. The whole thing with equating actual polytheism with fundamentalism is just so crazy that one hardly knows where to start. I say that even though I generally disagree with the "hard" polytheist stance, because I think it is a crude over-reaction to the admittedly monotheizing vagaries of a lot of Wiccans and Goddess-centric types. But my personal opinion is that most while most modern Pagans are guilty of very sloppy theology, very few, if any, come anywhere close to anything that would actually count at "fundamentalism", if that term is to continue to have any meaning. Apuleius Platonicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11761230673724504084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817911217098974229.post-14038646285001252442013-05-22T17:13:44.777-04:002013-05-22T17:13:44.777-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Imperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817911217098974229.post-5959550917474882772013-05-22T15:14:01.595-04:002013-05-22T15:14:01.595-04:00I find it interesting that an actual belief in the...I find it interesting that an actual belief in the existence of the Gods is itself somehow a critereon of fundamentalism. It's just such a condescending attitude, it's hard to take it seriously, and yet many do.Greyhawk Grognardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13929743865700766901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817911217098974229.post-30330847633961881342013-05-22T13:53:00.885-04:002013-05-22T13:53:00.885-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Imperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.com